I have had several, and had accuracy problems with them. I have had better luck with slower powders imr 7828 and re25 with my 25-06s. Good luck! had a very difficult time in getting the rifles chambered in 25 06 to shoot accurately. One of the overwhelming themes is the recommendation of the Tikka T3 as a rifle. Hildy is getting about the same with the same load. The 25-06 is a screamer. Have shot several nice 5 shot groups. The 25-06 was originally the .25 Niedner, named after A.O.Niedner, created in … It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. You can't take the lighter bullets like the 75 gr to 90 gr and seat them out to the lands. 6mm-06, 270, 25-06, 280, 30-06, 35 Whelen, etc. However, many owners claim fantastic accuracy. What twist is your barrel that will help dictate which wieght bullet to try and also is your barrel light or heavy wieght and also are you letting the barrel cool between shots? I also use a bipod on the front and a bag on the rear. It tool a long time, but in … Is this enough to make a difference in case volume? Have been having some success with getting this rifle dialed in. My favorite bullet is the Speer 120gr Hot-Cor and my Rem CDL 25.06 shoots them with excellent accuracy. 3/4th" average groups with the Speer 87 gr. Clark, is your "new system" of driving to the target, the system that Uncle Nick is referring to in the articles? What I found out early on was that it liked the slower powders like from IMR-4831 over to around RL-22. difference in a few cases. This made me want to reload for more accurcy. The author states when first created loaders used surplus WWII powder. Accuracy can be defined in terms of group size at a given range, such as a 1" three shot group at 100 yards or 100 meters, measured from center to center of the points of impact. IMR4350 is very close. I put the businss cards (3 strips) before the forend floated,and it shot the same 100 gr corlokts into 1.25". When I get somemore time I'll try the 100 gr. Consistent groups is what's important. Stuff happens. The .25-06 with 115-120 grain bullets put it into an entirely different category. I think it would be worth a try using Reloder 19 and the Federal 210 primer to see if accuracy doesn't improve. It still feels like my chin is raising of the stock. A question on changing the bullet seating depth. Performs very well on deer and antelope. Have been full length resizing, went to neck only and seated to COL. of 3.165, haven't shot these yet,wind blowing to hard today. I got away from the Hornady's altogether am using the Sierra 90 HPBT #1615 and Barnes 100 gr T-TSX BT. Then sometime during 2005, Dan Cooper told me about the then-upcoming Model 52 rifle--his first centerfire repeater. "The paper is showing carbon (fouling) on every shot.". Here is a list of things you can do with simple tools. There are guys much more accurate than me that seat into the lands e.g. Just what is the load you're shooting? 37. The rifle is the Ultra with the Monty Carlo stock. Hodgdon lists 54.3 as max for 100gr (Nos Par). A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. In older manuals, it was customary to list powder simply as "4831" with no designation connecting it to the Hodgdon line. I've used IMR4350 for over 38 years with excellent results. Had a buck come in and squeezed the trigger click no boom. The .25-06 will generate respectable velocities, driving the 85-grain pills in excess of 3,600 fps, and the heavy 120-grainers to right around 3,200 fps. For reference, the medium sig zees are .270" tall and the highs are .420" tall. Definitely consistent enough to trust for hunting. The tightest group I can achieve with it is 2.5" at 85 yards with 180 grain superformance. Re: loads for .25-06? with 51gr of H-4831, still only about a 2" group which is the best so far. I discovered my 25-06 had more than one high end accuracy sweet spot. Had a light primer strike. As you seat the bullet further toward the lands, would I need to add more powder to maintain the original pressure? Yes, I agree with you, my speer manual is very old, I also agree that changing any one of your components while working up a load only means you are asking for trouble. My Last .25-06 After shooting out the barrel of my custom Mauser, I tried several other rifles in .25-06, and while some were quite accurate, not a single one excited me. Ps. I think that many of the accuracy problems with the #1 boils down to caliber and barrel harmonics. The Backfire guys review the Mossberg Patriot hunting rifle. Good 3/4" to 7/8" as a rule, with a flyer that could be 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" off. These shorter barrels make factory velocities seem lagging and in the loadings listed ahead, hunters using factory ammunition in 24” barreled rifles can expect around 70fps above 22” barrel observations. The aluminum options from anywhere else are simply inadequate for the recoil of this round. Also locking lug, notched it out to fully engage the under lug (cut a notch in it where it meets the frame so it would stick out further, did not take much off, don't want it to be weak)My accuracy did increase after all this tinkering but I am still not happy with it ,happier but not happy. I purchased a Tikka T3X in .270 as a sheep rifle, and topped it with a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10 CDS. Here's my .25-06 Ultra with Burris FFII 3-9x40 mounted in medium rings..... "Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" - Mark Twain, I use a thin piece of ruba-tex pipe insulation. Yet a little while and the wicked man shall be no more. I'm getting around 3/4" consistantly, with this bullet and 56.5 grs. I have 2 Vanguards, 7mm, 308, no problems, both shot under an inch three shot groups, but they will heat up fast, and in order to get another tight 3 shot group the barrel needs to cool completely down. There so many varibles that can change pressures that it is wise to start low. An overview of some small upgrades made to the factory rifle to improve performance, adding a Bipod is crucial for our environment to add stability. Have the Leopold high mounts with 3x9x40 Swift scope, would like to use the med., but don't think the scope will clear the hammer. 2 actually. It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. Bolted and squeezed again then boom killed the deer. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I also went with recommended OAL on the seating depth. I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot … Fed's are more available locally. There are problems for sure, but overall rifles are pretty accurate now on average, for off the shelf , mostly slapped together , mostly made of plastic, mostly pressed together parts with little to no fitting done to them. The 25-06 is a long action caliber that shares a bolt face size of .473", common with many other long action cases. That did wonders. I have had this gun for about two years and have shot it close to 600 times everything has been with reloads. I've moved back to the 200 yd distance. 100gr Horn. Yes they are all close if you look to a powder chart but the burn rates are significantly different enough that you have to work up each powder. 68wj, Apr 2, 2011 #3. Joined: May 2, 2010 Messages: 1,654 ... As for powder charge, start low and work up your charges to find the best fast/accurate combo. I've always used Rem or Win for my use. JavaScript is disabled. I'm having the same problem, glad to see you've got yours figured out HANDLDR, going to switch brass for my next trip to the range and hope my problem goes away like yours did! The problem is the weak mounting system that was not one of our steel, six hole mounts. I have loaded a lot of rounds for our 25-06 over the years. There is no way of knowing that they will improve accuracy in all Handi rifles but they did in the 25-06 Ultra I have. I know it could be me, but I think if it were me, it would happen more often. This morning I took a peace of pipe insulation,the kind that fits over 1" pipe, and taped it to the top of the stock,will try this and see if it helps. I have a Howa 1500 in .338 WM. now i can hold 1" groups at 175 yrds. I have to throw in my vote for lock-up and load. I would be more than unhappy to get a 1300 dollar lemon though. The other ammos, and handloads being over 3". I read an article that told the story that a major "custom" rifle mfg. It gives me the highest velocity and lowest SDs. Every 25-06 rifle I have owned has shot less than minute of angle groups with very little effort. but I also have longer barrels on those as well. I tried 117gr. I think the 25-06 is at its finest with 120 grain bullets because it is more predictable. There are also short action receivers having a bolt face of .473" which accommodates shorter rounds like .243, 7mm-08, 308 win, etc. The scope is on 18 pr. Vmax's it dropped under a inch. In my hand-loading experiments and bench resting/s. Ultimately, I had to free float the barrel, then develop a load to find the nodes on harmonics. It runs on a standard large rifle primer, and has a case capacity that is more than likely the tipping point for .25 caliber cartridges, before things get grossly overbore. Need any help I can get or this barrel will find a new home! H&R Ultra 25-06, 26" Barrel, 4-12x40 Bushnell Banner scope, Weaver med Rings on H&R rail base. the remington shells tips are to irregular to be accurate in that small calibur at that yardage . I mentioned before, I am seating the bullet as recommended by Sierra. no trigger problems encounterd. I also agree that maybe we should not post near max loads but I guess I got carried away and not thinking of the relative dangers. I see 26" as a rule and once in awhile, they will have a 24" barrel on their test rifle. I built (5) rifles in September and sighted them in and hunted in October. I don't weigh cases and consistent groups just under 1/2" when I have a good day. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting, mule buck 2016 25-06 tiny reduced for TFL.jpg, Paul sighting in his Rem700 7mmRM 2016.jpg. Drawing the screw up presses the wood against the barrel, kills accuracy. Would changing the bullet seating depth change the optimal charge? The rifle has around 120 rds or more shot though it. sp were about a 3-4" groups with different loads of H-4831. IMR 4831 is significantly faster burning than H4831, and may produce dangerous pressures if used with data developed for the latter.). The other issues is it seems to be very finicky with different loads. Oh I tinkered around with IMR 4350 also but 4831 is the propellant for best observed 25-06 accuracy. I still own a 1-V in 25-06 which shoots fairly well i.e. In fact, a Remington ammunition survey done some years ago showed the 120 grain Core-Lokt load was the best selling of the three .25-06 loads they make. The .25-06 gives optimum performance in a 24” barrel, unfortunately many rifles feature a 22” barrel. flashhole, Apr 2, 2011 #2. Hey, Quick, look at imrpowder.com they have got the same data posted on their site. Also my groups got smaller when I switched to LR mag primers in the 25-06. Now this is coming from a very capeable benchrest gunsmith who has had his rifles win many matches and set records. Here’s a deer hunting video by BlackandChrome using .25-06 rounds: The .25-06 rifle round is the best multi-application hunting cartridge available today. and the 87 gr. The reason for this is simple; prior to DuPont's introduction of IMR 4831 in 1972, the surplus 4831 sold by Hodgdon was the only powder to carry this designation. (I was just thinking about makin it shoot straight)I usually write in my loading quotes "what is safe in mine may not be safe in yours" and I think most people should adhere to this because there is just to many variables. That’s why the Vanguard ® has become one of the most popular rifle options today. Finding the right load with some Handis can be a bit frustrating sometimes, but you will find it, eventually, you're going to have to try difference charges of powder to find the load it likes, hopefully sooner than later you'll hit upon a load that has good accuracy.....I've only shot factory ammo in my 25-06 Ultra, the 115gr Federal Nosler partitions shoot the best, first 2 shots out of a cold barrel will almost touch, the 3rd will open the group to just shy of 1", to find that load, I went thru at least 6 different factory offerings. I can't seem to find any load data on barrels of varying length. 68wj Member. Found that (possibly because it is a 22" barrel) heavier (or lighter) charges didn't produce any positive results. I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is. First off the Rem corlokts shot 3" groups. In general, what was this caliber designed for? I went through 3 bullet types,3 differant primers,and 2 powders with countless combo's of weights with each powder. I don't know if you have tried but sometimes (actually more often then not) an o-ring under the barrel lug helps (search on quick's id and you'll find a good post) also search for fredm he has a personal site documenting his time with a 25-06. For anyone considering swapping load data between, * (In manuals or writings published before 1973, any mention of 4831 will refer to Hodgdon's H4831. I have done several things to increase my accuracy starting with forearm, bedded it about 1" past the forearm screw with belzona then floated it with silicon rubber from front to back this gives it full length padding it gave me about a half inch or more accuracy, next is the underlug, my lock up was not true to the receiver had a gap on one side at lock-up, in my case I welded up the underlug (filled in the half circle for hinge pin) and remilled so it would fit the receiver square this took about three 12 hour night shifts to get it right. Bart Bobbitt. Digger. I'm still working on getting it to group around 1". If you can't shoot a 25-06 well you've got some other problem! The .25-06 is picky on primers though. Add in a match quality, two-stage trigger that breaks crisp and clean. Once hunting season is over, I will do some more testing as the articles suggest. The cases were all trimmed to the same length. Maybe its more noticeable there. It should shoot into one hole with this kind of rest,but it wont. With a little creative experimenting, excellent handloads can be assembled that will increase the .25-06’s overall performance. The sweet spot I prefer and use is above most suggested Max Powder Charge writes. The first load rockets a lightweight bullet that will tumble a coyote slinking along on the far edge of a farm field. bullet wieght not enough .also the cxp2 ammo is not to bad for around 100 to 125 yrds. F. Guffy, what powder would you suggest in a 22" barrel. I've honestly never shot a factory bullet out of this rifle so i don't know how they would shoot. I know its been awhile, but it has taken awhile to iron this rifle out. I just weighed my cases and I get close to a 3 gr. I've been reading on this forum and in some manuals about case capacity and/or case weight affecting the case pressure. Needing advice. I was really happy with mine at first,but then things started happening for the worse. Every 25.06 i've ever owned had a 1-10 twist and all have shot the heavier 115 - 120gr bullets with no issues what so ever. What cases are you using? If my rifle has a short barrel I am wasting my time and powder when using a slow powder. Win LR produced the same results as the Fed's. In all your opinions, what are the most consistent cases (brand names)? Sighted it in and took it hunting. The .25-06 is an excellent cartridge that offers magnum performance, moderate recoil, respectable barrel life and accuracy. Not sure I can afford a 26" barrel and certainly wouldn't want to carry it very far! This is where the .25-06 treads close on the heels of the 130 grain bullet in the .270 Winchester. Despite their similar nomenclature, these two powders (IMR 4831 and Hodgdon H4831) are not interchangeable and must not be confused. Mine doesn't like Hornady and prefers Sierra or Nosler bullets. http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDERS/1/BURN_RATES.htm, http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/burnrates.cfm, http://www.aeroballisticsonline.com/ballistics/imrpowder.html, http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/2506.html, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. with the same primers and powder and let everyone know the outcome. As soon as I used the CCI primers with the 75 gr. You all have been very helpful. My 25-06 shows its best accuracy with most jacketed 100 gr bullets and IMR 4831 not>H-4831. btsp Horn. I asked my gunsmith to make me a rifle chamberd in 25 06 and he replied, "I could never get the 25 06 to shoot." Thanks to all with your suggestions. I think this might be a lot. It's interesting you mention that. and it will steady down to about .030 movement of the crosshairs at 100 yds. The Alliant Powder website should give you some suggestions for max loads which you can reduce for your starting point. Thanks for the info on the articles, Uncle Nick. I'm bothered by the statement that you're getting carbon on the target. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. and very accurate. Here’s a deer hunting video by BlackandChrome using .25-06 rounds: The .25-06 rifle round is the best multi-application hunting cartridge available today. I've had the best luck with Federal or Winchester LR. Try the 115 Breger VLD. Thanks for any info you can give. (These days the G7 BC is considered more accurate for long-range bullets, and Nosler lists it at .285.) One other consideration. My #1, out of the box (22-250) was terrible. I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is 58 grains of IMR4831 behind 90 grain sierra bthp it will shoot 1" at 200 yards, or about half inch at a hundred, 75's will shoot better than this but I would not deer hunt with them. Just wanted to thank those that made suggestions and let you all know what worked. The .25/06 has kept the .25 caliber alive for more than 50 years because a hunter shooting just three loads in his .25/06 rifle is ready for game from marmots to big deer. Not the size of one or two groups. n.e.f. Had I read them earlier, it may have sped up the process. The rifles have light recoil, handle wind deflection very well and are easy to hit with. Got it out this year to sight in and shot 12 times had one light primer strike again. I mount all of my scopes with Burris Signature Zee rings, medium usually, sometimes high depending on the scope's power ring size and position in reference to the hammer. After all this, I am shooting 1/2" to 5/8" groups consistently! Highest BC for .25 cal. Also went with the Fed primers (was using CCI's initially). I have got several different loading books all of them show different loading data (starting weight and max weight) for different calibers actually the Speer manual says 59 grains is max of IMR4831, I and most people should use these manuals as reference, not as a law, always start low and work your way up while at least shooting 5 of your test loads and check for pressure signs. I bought a axis last November in 25-06. An additional step was to debur the flash hole. I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot about a two inch group. This article has many accuracy problems. Not clover leafs but much better that the inconsistent 1" to 1-1/2" groups I started with. 2 actually. It can also be defined in terms of the angular dispersion of the bullets. I discovered my 25-06 had more than one high end accuracy sweet spot. Now that being said, what pressure effects this has on this gun is seen very easy, now just maybe an even slower burning powder would help even more but loss of speed is a concern I didn't buy a 25-06 to shoot it at a medium speed thats not what it is known for. Hi folks, I have used this site quite a bit over the last two years to outfit myself for backcountry hunting. How close should I be keeping them? Clark, is your "new system" of driving to the target, the system that Uncle Nick is referring to in the articles. Providing the confidence of guaranteed SUB-MOA accuracy. singleshot 243 done the same thing till i chaged ammo to winchester supreme 95 gr ballistic silver tip . This is a max load,and when I went half a grain on higher the groups opened way up. Ive had 4 different 25/06s over the years and overall performance has always been best with Norma MRP. I ended up with IMR4831 (as suggested by more than one) as the most consistent powder. Though you mark his place he will not be there. Problem is in the method Ruger uses to hang the fore end. of IMR 4350. Powder charges are in the middle. I have not marked and shot to see which ones are producing the flyers yet. Once in awhile, I get an oddball flyer. ! Lack of factual information and accuracy of stated information. Sounds like you're expecting one hole groups you don't need. You'll end up with not much bullet supported by the case neck which will cause erratic groups. The 25/06 is a really great cartridge. Shoulder a Weatherby ® Vanguard ® and see for yourself… the best rifle value on … Its been cleaned 4 times with Shooters Choice. I use 4895 and 75 gr Vmax in 257 Roberts Ackley, which is almost a 25-06. Sent it back to savage they checked it and replaced the bolt.
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